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IRAN.............FREND OR FOE.........

Post by gazza »

well........lookz like the nuclear wall has been breeched by IRAN........in my opinion the IRANIANZ have as much rite to theez weaponz as any other country.............i thnink the islamic world will feel that a change in the balance of world power is long overdue............juzt a thawt :?: :idea: :!:
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:shock: A very scary "thawt"
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Do you want them to have that right though?

I don't care if Muslim countries like Turkey or Jordan have them.

Iran is led by a nutball theocracy and have vowed to wipe Israel (and hence the Palestinians) off the face of the earth as soon as Allah permits.
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i`m not happy about any country havvin theez weaponz.......but i think your opinion is typical of western opinion .......i think that the west are worried about this because they no that they have allowed the middle east farce called Isreal to abuse, steal, kill, maim not only palastinians but our own peepz as well [ rachel corrie ] for decadez without even blinking, and
now........power iz changin handz slowly.......your analogy iz wrong.......
the afghanz were americaz best buddy`z in the 80`z whilst crushing thu red army.....and now they are 1 of our most worst enemy`z.......showing that frendship can quikkly turn ..........i think the palastinianz would far prefer to be WIPED off thu face of this earth by a muslim force fighting for there freedom from jewish imprisonment than a hot headed jew army
hellbent on the mass kidnap of thu holy land with all thu support of thu ever so innocent west................."nutball theocracy " i wonder wat title they give our corrupt and rotten system.....................hmm i wonder.......
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Well, bearing in mind that this high-mindedness comes most loudly from the USA, which not only has more nuclear weapons than any other country in the world is the only country in history to have used nuclear weapons in anger.

Iran's president (whose name I have trouble spelling) claiming to deny the holocaust and vowing to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth is no scarier as Big Daft Geordie Bush and his happy band of New American Century hawks wanting to stamp their authority over the Middle East (when a military officer uses a phrase like "the bad guys" in a serious news programme with all seriousness... be afraid) engaging in international diplomacy by cat-calling, denouncing of Hamas as terrorists for refusing to acknowledge the "state" of Israel while happliy propping up said "state" while it flouts international resolutions. (So that's why they withdrew their troops from Gaza)

And why is everybody completely ignoring the "nutball dictatorship" that is North Korea? (which already has nuclear weapons, and the will to turn most certainly South Korea and Japan into a mass of molten glass) I'd think that thought is a little scarier than Iran have nuclear power, don't you?
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well said that man.............. :D
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The arguments have been made and the jury has been out and was back in years ago - the use of nuclear wepaons was justified by the number of lives saved.

Recently revealed documents show that the IJA high command refused to surrender after the first bomb. This is meant to be some kind of moral reason why the US shouldn't have a say? Iran's ruling party have hated America since before they got into power, and inflicted much more harm on their people than the Shah ever did.

We all know the stupidity in supporting Saddam Hussein, but America never provoked Iran. The Shah stepped in for American and British interests because their thuggish PM was expatrating assets because his morally bankrupt victim ideology, popular in the post colonial and often socialist and religious societies demanded it. Morally they should have supported either the Shah or the PM. How did the US provoke the religious nutballs currently in power? Why shouldn't the US strike pre-emptively against a regime which preaches it's utter annihlation?

Iran supports terrorists. They openly do so. [Now, arguably, so ahs America - incompetence, not malice though. The intent was entirely different]. They have an avowed policy of wiping out the Israelis (and in due course, the Palestinians) as soon as Allah permits.

Yeah, let's support them to have nuclear weapons, to spite the Americans, and the Israelis.

Rachel Corrie was an idiot who wanted to martyr herself. She's dead, Israel maintained the same policies and have destroyed the settlements and since the wall, the number of bombings have fallen. Martyred for no cause at all.

Criticisms of Bush and Israel are probably quite valid. Don't let such criticism make you lose perspective.

Again, people lose perspective when they make comparisons - just because Nth Korea is dangerous doesn't let Tehran off the hook.
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but America never provoked Iran

Since the USA supported Iraq's belligerence against Iran, it seems reasonable that Iran would be a bit miffed.

Why shouldn't the US strike pre-emptively against a regime which preaches it's utter annihlation

You're suggesting the USA should respond to the Iranian leader's bluster with a couple of nukes?

Now, arguably, so ahs America - incompetence, not malice though...

Were these some kind of cuddly sandal-wearing non-threatening terrorists?

...The intent was entirely different

The road to hell and all that.
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Here we go :cry:
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so thatz fine then..........we vote these crookz into power, they then manipulate the world to there own endz, continue to stamp democracy across thu globe, choose which country is a safe country[wen it suitz there needz]allow certain country`z to flout thu very resolutionz that they want to impose on an islamic country..........UNTIL world power is distributed FAIRLY to ALL populationz either islamic or not........we will alwayz hav rogue elementz..........THEY/WE need 2 act fast because, islam is now thu fastest growin religion in thu world 2 day...........and each new recruit IMMEDIATLEY becomez aware of thu HYPOCRACY that seepz out from westeren countriez............against the MUSLIMZ........as a non muslim with islamic blood i feel this hypocracy and standby my comment that all country`z have thu rite to these capabilitiez...........and i would never call thu tragic murder of a fellow britain at thu handz of thu jew army "SILLY".
SHE HAD IN HER SHORT LIFE OBVIOUSLY BECAME AWARE OF THU DISGRACEFUL ABUSE OF POWER BY A SELF MADE COUNTRY CALLING ITSELF ISREAL.........i`m still wonderin what title they give our system....
may be you.........in your inteligent glory can devise a title...........mister p
I want 2 big-up RACHEL-CORRIE and let thu world know that thu jewz killed one of our own............... :(
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So it seems that you all agree with me about the idiocy of US foreign policy: good. Maybe you can take some of your own advice about good intentions rossini when you spout your latest syndicalist diatribe.

But let's not lose our perspective. Iran and North Korea are ruled by truly dangerous nutballs.

Any warmongering of any US President can be easily checked, lest for the gutlessness of their House of Representatives.

The problem is institutional. Look at the war powers act...

Intention is really important. There is a hell of a lot of difference between murder and wrongful death. A hell of a lot of difference between bombing the IJA and taking out Israel because they are Jewish...

Rachel Corrie was a fool. Ditto for the protestors who went to Iraq and became human shields.

As for p*ssing off Iran, if all America need do is switch alliances to make it a nuclear target, what do those rejects think of the US cutting off aid to Israel for bombing Osarik and cutting off aid to Hamas (who seem to be acting very responsibly)? Maybe India should vow to nuke America as well? That's not a justification. You are right in pointing out it a cause for conflict, such as US bases in Saudi Arabia, but it is far from justification. However, the US should know better.

Israel is so bad? The whole British/French/UN carve up of the Mid East was a bad idea. Israel and Palestine have a right to exist. Whether or not we thought their inception was a good idea.
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Maybe you can take some of your own advice about good intentions rossini when you spout your latest syndicalist diatribe

Blah blah blah. Keep with the story.

Any warmongering of any US President can be easily checked

And how many times has that happened lately?

As for p*ssing off Iran,...

As rhetorical gibberish goes, this is not up to your usual high standard. Had a couple of drinks, have you?
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AND..............yeh they have thu rite to exist..........let them maime your kidz....bulldoze your house........encapsulate your very existance.....
put you so far down you cant get lower.........then.....let them live in your f##kin bak yard......wat yoo gonna do........put thu kettle on and dish out thu biccy`z...........wake up son..........they`re en route....they`re determined and soon they`ll greet yoo........in ya face...............yanx or no yanx.......
muslim belief that allah will prevail and strengthen there fite , will never [thatz never]allow human infidellz to stifle there quest for thu liberation of thu world from thu clutches of evil capitalistz.........inbred, like our own
heirarchy..............thu jewz never learned much from there history.........
infact.........they now repeat it in similar wayz........against innocent people.........any 1 takez my existence away........f##kin rite they`re gonna suffa..................BIG-UP--RACHEL--CORRIE...........MASSIVE =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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rossinisbird wrote:Maybe you can take some of your own advice about good intentions rossini when you spout your latest syndicalist diatribe

Blah blah blah. Keep with the story.

Any warmongering of any US President can be easily checked

And how many times has that happened lately?

As for p*ssing off Iran,...

As rhetorical gibberish goes, this is not up to your usual high standard. Had a couple of drinks, have you?
I am at work, something you will never be familiar with.

My point was that the US problems are institutional - e.g the war powers act. But you are too slow to work this out, and will bash Bush again. Enough is enough. The American people are not sheep, and keep on voting for politicians who will not revoke the act.

The last people the Israelis bulldozed was their own. I am all for the withdrawal. How many terrorist attacks in the past few months? Very few. Israel is secure and the Palestinians are not being provoked any longer.

Yeah...big up to Rachel Corrie....she sacraficed herself symbolically soa terrorist's house wouldn't be bulldozed. Idiot.
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I HERD YOO THU FIRST TIME..... AND THU SECOND.........we all know thu workingz of our own scheme and sum like it......LIKE YOO......and sum dont.......LIKE ME........let them [the west] carry on stamping there stamp...
only it aint in my name......i work as well wen i can.........only thu f##ked up capitalist system yoo idolise stuffed me because they were`nt making eenuff green.............and discarded me like a f##kin filthy rag..............
yes we are free here and in thu west..........all built on thu backz of hard workin peepz in this country........time and again we thu peepz are witnuss 2 the degenerate lice that steal our money and abuse there power to look after thu stinkin rich..........lotz ov whom hav welcolmed wealth rich arab nationz into there fold.....including that disfuntional OAF....ronny regan.....
[god 4 ever disturb his soul] and thu contra scandal.........
like i say mister p..........itz EN-ROUTE........
innocent, dis-illusioned, righteous, NO REASON 2 BE MURDERED........
BIG UP MISS CORRIE.........I 4 ONE SURELY UNDERSTOOD HER PLIGHT.... =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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I've been unemployed too gazza.

Blaming capitalism is ironic considering Britain is far from capitalist. Blame the system you have - socialism.

You understand corrie's plight? What, she was gullible and good hearted enough to allow her life to be wasted for a completely unhumanitarian cause?
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sorry, gazza, I have to ask, I have always wondered, why, if the muslims hate our western ideology so much, why the hell there are so many of them living in our awful, prejudiced, decadent society. I had thought maybe the social benefit state of this country - seemingly to me more prejudiced towards you than against you, may be a reason. Then, having worked with so many ex pat Iraqies and Iranian's in hospitals, I learnt that the money one person earns in our health service, supports a whole extended familly in luxury 'back home'. Nice. But from reading your posts, perhaps the real reason is that so when your uprising begins they can turn to the backs of the hard working peeplz who built the country and stab them in it?
It's not Iran having a spoonful of plutonium that's scary!
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dont twist my wordz 2 suit your reply..........thu muslimz in this country and world wide, [ decent muslimz, of course i cant speek 4 all ov um ] hav
lived peacefully and are hard working peepz like most peepz in our country,only thu hypocracy of our leaderz have dealt there brotherz around thu world a below thu belt kikk.........so now they are p#ssed off and look to find there own way to bring justice to there plight......thu world iz movin fast....and in some islamic countries .....2 fast...... but until our guru`z decide that .....yes ....mayb we [thu west] hav s**t on these peepz far 2 long and accept that because we allow a select few into our paradise
that it excusez our abuse of power in thu past we will continue to become prisonerz in our own country........they [thu extremistz] hav already started there campaign. i go bak 2 my original comment, i see no wrong in any country deciding that they also hav thu rite to hav these weaponz and
yes......even if it meenz an unstable world....because we sit here in our utopian democrcy and turn a blind eye to wat these f##kaz[blair,bush and juzt about evry us president in history] are doing in our name......itz eezy to criticise from your nice cosy sofa.......so enjoy it....these good old timez wont last 4 ever..........SOCIALISM MY ARSE............every turn you make in this country costz yoo an arm and a leg CAPITALIZM IZ HERE so smell thu coffee, or dont yoo live in thu reel world....wen my job waz made redundant thu last thing on thu f##kin bossez mind waz socializm...........
THEY SAW DROPPIN PROFITZ.......look around you next time yoo walk around thu north and ask yourself where thu f##k hav all our manufacturing industries gone............further....it mite juzt have sumthing 2 do with our empire in itz glory, raping and pilleging country`z across thu globe and impregnating our system on it/them that they now have a legitimate rite to be here.........dont b sorry....juzt accept that...HISTORY REPEETZ and now itz cummin 2 bite yoo on thu ass..............iz it that wat pissuz you lot offf................BLAIR MURDERZ IN YOUR NAME.....RACHEL CORRIE DIED IN MY NAME......BIG UP RACHEL CORRIE.....A TRUE HERO........ =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
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Post by CJ »

but answer my question. You are ranting at how this country and our leaders are so bad, why do the muslims keep coming here? The Middle East has vast areas of land, it could hold many more muslims than this tiny Island can, within the confines of the superior Islamic ideology. Instead of developing nuclear sh*t why not develop their own land before this one sinks under the weight of so many unhappy-to-be-here people. Not surprisingly, 270,000 British people emigrated to Spain/Greece last year. I'll grant that a small proportion may have been muslims, but none of them went to live in Iraq or Iran.
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