Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

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Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Sat May 14, 2011 4:28 pm

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This was Mr Knox's class in Ocean Road Senior School in 1956/57. Somehow, I have managed to lose the right third of the picture?

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by Mr Smith » Sat May 14, 2011 5:13 pm

If you hold down your Ctrl key and tap the - key a few times the photo will all be revealed.
When you next upload a photo pick a lower resolution size in Photobucket.

The photo which you loaded is 1024 X 735 which is far too large for a forum, ideal size is 640 X 480.
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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by Pilot » Sat May 14, 2011 6:05 pm

can you put names to any of them ?
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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Sat May 14, 2011 7:13 pm

First, Thanks for that tip Mr Smith. Secondly to Pilot, I know the names to almost all, they are as follows, with a question mark where a name isn't known. Back row left to right: Victor Carman, Kenny Dale, Colin Newman, Peter Bianchi, Alfie Coverdale, Barry Ditchburn, Stuart Day, Ralph Pottinger, Charlie Sibald (anyone know where he might be?)
Middle Row: :?: :?: George Ross, Billy Wilkinson Jimmy Mackley (died a few years ago) Howard Baker, Raymond Cunningham, Jimmy Bowman, :?: Billy Asty

Front row: Peter Middlemass, Derek Paddon, William Curry, George Robertson, Kenny McVey, :?: , :?: , ... Carr, ... Immery, Derek Simpson, and Barry McCardle. Dots in front of the surname is where I am no longer sure of the Christian name. Most of them I never saw again after leaving school in 1959

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by Mr Smith » Sat May 14, 2011 7:34 pm

There are Pottingers in my family, they lived in Salmon Street, just off Ocean Road.
I'm pretty sure that Ralph is a cousin I never really knew, I'll ask my other cousin
Carol who is possibly his sister.
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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Sat May 14, 2011 7:54 pm

The name is not very common, and so there is the possibility of a connection somewhere. My paternal grandmother remarried becoming a Scott and so I have connections with two families on that side. My dad sadly didn't keep in touch with either side and so though I am aware of the existence of some, most I have never met.

One Pottinger family whose name I have come across over the years was that of Olly Pottinger (now dead I believe). Their name used to crop up in The Gazette in the old days, in connection with 'The Pier Pavillion' and 'The Westovians'. I never met any of them, but I have heard it said there is a distant connection - but if true and how, I haven't a clue.

I have just read the bottom of your post again, I am Ralph with a sister Carol!

Latest Update on that one, I believe the Salmon Street Pottingers to be the Olly Pottinger family, and one of his daughters is also Carol, but not the one that is my sister - there thats crystal clear then. To add to the confusion, I had a half brother, who died a few months ago, whose mother was Mable Smith - any connection there? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by Mr Smith » Sat May 14, 2011 8:13 pm

Ollie (Olaf) Pottinger was a relative of mine, he was my dads cousin and they were very close.
Ollie acted as stage manager for a show which I put on at the Pier Pavilion in about 1965. His
daughters name is now Carol A Hegarty and she is now living in New Zealand. My grandmother
on my fathers side was Lizzie Mary Scott, my grandparents lived at 14 Harpers Buildings which
was where my father was born. My grandmother died at that address at the tender age of 30,
my grandfather died a few months later at Ypres WWI. Ollie and his family also lived at that
address in later years. Main surnames in my family are Smith of course, Scott, Gray and Pottinger.

No Mabel in our side of the Smith family.
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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Sat May 14, 2011 9:21 pm

So, if there are links, what they might be, we are no nearer knowing. I know that some years ago, living as I do in London, I spent some time at what was then St Catherine's House, where the records of births and marriages were then kept, and the Pottingers that I could find to which I was connected, seem to all have been in South Shields at least since just before 1837, with the inevitable marriage from outside of the area: for example a Willliam Pottinger (mariner) who had married a girl from Gainsborough, whose father was also a mariner etc.

The interesting thing was, that in 1837, there were only a handful of Pottingers around England and Wales, being born each quarter - so where had they originated? There was a suggestion that they had come from the Shetland Islands, and so I asked my Brother in Law, Jeff, who works in the North Sea oil fields, to check for Pottingers the phone book of Aberdeen, and there were vastly more of them there than the in the rest of England and Wales. Shetland turned up many more, often with the Christian names that constantly cropped up in our family history. For those that come later, with the enthusiasm of youth and technology on their side, perhaps the whole story will be revealed. They will also have a great many more photographic sources to tap into, which will make it even more interesting. It looks as if we washed southwards - perhaps with the herring trade that was so important in the 19th century - one wonders...

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by Mr Smith » Sat May 14, 2011 9:39 pm

You say that you live in London, would that be in SW16 Streatham district?
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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Sat May 14, 2011 10:56 pm

Yes SW16, There used to be another pottinger who lived a couple of streets from me too, but I never came across them. Not all Pottingers of course are related for here's an example: I was interviewing a man some years ago, a West Indian, and was quite surprised when on asking his name, he told me it was Pottinger. Seeing the amused look on my face, I told him that was my name as well, and I asked him if he knew where his family had got the name from.

He told me that his family were decended from slaves, I think he said in Jamaica, and that the estate owners name had been Pottinger. He said it was common practice for slaves to take the family name of their owners!

Famous Pottingers that I have come across: Sir Henry Pottinger, first Governor of Hong Kong. and George Pottinger, one time Government Minister for Scotland, who came unstuck in the Poulson Scandal, many years ago. I come from a very much more humble branch :lol: Also in Belfast, there is an area called Mount Pottinger, but where that got its name from I don't know.

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Sat May 14, 2011 11:46 pm

I tend to be a bit more casual since I retired 15 months ago, but have spent nearly all of my life wearing a uniform of one sort or another, and that tends to rub off in civvie dress :D I'm slowly learning to unwind dress wise, and enjoying the change.

I'm coming up to Shields on the 24th, returning on the 28th and I'm looking forward to sitting on the hill-top, looking over to Tynemouth, and down to the Groyne, where I spent so much time as a kid, scrabbling among the rocks looking for crabs or small fish trapped in the rock pools. In those quiet moments, the years seem to slip away... Just as the people in the school photo have. If I met them today, we probably wouldn't recognise each other. A bit sad, isn't it?

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by Pilot » Sun May 15, 2011 10:18 am

I knew an Alfie Coverdale who was skipper of the Pilot Cutter but he would be older than the one in the picture, maybe the father of the lad in the picture, I also know a Peter Middlemass who is a Compass adjuster but the one in the picture is older, maybe his father !
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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Sun May 15, 2011 4:37 pm

Pilot, you may well be right about Alfie Coverdale's dad. I asked mam, who is 92 this year and usually the fount of all knowledge on matters historical :) and she said that Alfie's dad may have worked on the cutter, but could say no more than that. She was certainly a friend of Molly, Alfie's mam, who lived in Fort Street. Last year, I was briefly in touch with Alfie, who I found on the 'Friends Reunited site. He lives in Yorkshire, where he has had a pet shop for over 40 years!. I never saw nor heard of Peter Middlemass after I left school.

Speaking as you were, of an Alfie Coverdale skippering the pilot cutter, my nephew, Jeffery Burns is doing that job now. I had a look over the newest of the cutters a few months ago, and was astonished at how 'high-tech' they are these days. My dad was a foy boatman, so as a lad, I was always hanging around the pilot jetty, either swimming of the letter 'T' (perish the thought), or spratting. What happy memories.

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by Pilot » Sun May 15, 2011 6:38 pm

Its 10 years since I retired so I expect some of the skippers have started since I left, yes the cutters have changed a lot since I started in 1964.
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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by JulieM » Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:10 pm

Hi Ralph, Do you remember playing in the 'chuggy'. Long time ago, but if I do, maybe you do, too. I lived in Baring St with my brother Albie and sister Jackie. Both dead now, sadly. Reading your posts brought back many memories. Living in Harrogate now, but think of Shields a lot.

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Re: Class 1B Ocean Road Seniors 1957/57

Post by ralph » Mon Nov 21, 2016 6:44 am

Julie, I saw this message years ago, just after you posted it and sent you an email. I never got a reply so you may have stopped using the site, but if ever you do revisit and see this post, yes I remember you very well indeed, and all of the kids from that time. I have lived in or near to London for the last 51 years but still 'come home' to Shields about three times a year. :D

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