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Moths to a Flame

Post by ralph » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:14 am

Whatever really motivates people to enter politics, and I suspect we will seldom get an honest answer to that question, vanity, love of power and enjoying being in the public eye are probably three of the reasons. One thing is for sure, advances in technology make it ever more certain that those who choose to pursue politics as a career and want to rise to the top, will find that every corner of their lives, however dark or far back it is, will be open to scrutiny. Whatever their interests are. they have probably used a 'search-engine' to access information on them and so they start a digital trail that will build up over the years and potentially come back to haunt and possibly destroy them. It is excruciatingly painful to watch President Trump trying to fight off never-ending attempts to dislodge him from Office, and if he is brought down, no doubt whoever succeeds him will immediately come under similar pressure.

In Britain, we have The Deputy Prime Minister fighting allegations of having had, some years ago, pornographic 'thumbnails on his work computer. Nothing that was illegal under the law, but nevertheless embarrassing if true. He denies that he accessed such things, but two retired police officers who were investigating him in relation to troublesome information leaks (of which he was cleared), say they saw these images on his office computer. This sort of thing has the potential to bring down a Government with a very small majority and the police themselves are now being investigated to see if they have breached the law and rules by revealing what they did. As if that were all not bad enough, allegations of inappropriate behaviour from decades ago seem increasingly likely to emerge and further threaten the careers of would-be high-flyers.

Yet still, like moths to a flame, there is no shortage of people willing to 'have a go' whatever the risks involved. :shock:

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Post by niagraa » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:34 am

ralph wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:14 am
Whatever really motivates people to enter politics, and I suspect we will seldom get an honest answer to that question, vanity, love of power and enjoying being in the public eye are probably three of the reasons. One thing is for sure, advances in technology make it ever more certain that those who choose to pursue politics as a career and want to rise to the top, will find that every corner of their lives, however dark or far back it is, will be open to scrutiny. Whatever their interests are. they have probably used a 'search-engine' to access information on them and so they start a digital trail that will build up over the years and potentially come back to haunt and possibly destroy them. It is excruciatingly painful to watch President Trump trying to fight off never-ending attempts to dislodge him from Office, and if he is brought down, no doubt whoever succeeds him will immediately come under similar pressure.

In Britain, we have The Deputy Prime Minister fighting allegations of having had, some years ago, pornographic 'thumbnails on his work computer. Nothing that was illegal under the law, but nevertheless embarrassing if true. He denies that he accessed such things, but two retired police officers who were investigating him in relation to troublesome information leaks (of which he was cleared), say they saw these images on his office computer. This sort of thing has the potential to bring down a Government with a very small majority and the police themselves are now being investigated to see if they have breached the law and rules by revealing what they did. As if that were all not bad enough, allegations of inappropriate behaviour from decades ago seem increasingly likely to emerge and further threaten the careers of would-be high-flyers.

Yet still, like moths to a flame, there is no shortage of people willing to 'have a go' whatever the risks involved. :shock:
most politicians are just untrustworthy vermin.

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Re: Moths to a Flame

Post by sherri » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:47 am

It's probably easier for modern politicians to escape some scrutiny because the internet has really only become common in the last 20 years so for most politicians, their youthful indiscretions won't have been recorded.
But the new ones coming up better take care what they photograph or send out on phones, what they say on facebook etc
Let alone what they access on the internet.

As for porn, I think we would have to use a bit of common sense how we judged politicians. Hard porn or child porn, certainly an issue. But would I personally condemn or refuse to vote for a competent politician if I found out he had looked at very soft porn 20 years ago in his teens? probably not.

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Post by ralph » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:20 pm

sherri wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:47 am
It's probably easier for modern politicians to escape some scrutiny because the internet has really only become common in the last 20 years so for most politicians, their youthful indiscretions won't have been recorded.
But the new ones coming up better take care what they photograph or send out on phones, what they say on facebook etc
Let alone what they access on the internet.

As for porn, I think we would have to use a bit of common sense how we judged politicians. Hard porn or child porn, certainly an issue. But would I personally condemn or refuse to vote for a competent politician if I found out he had looked at very soft porn 20 years ago in his teens? probably not.
Sherri, computers seem like a miracle even to those that have been using them for years. The trouble is, we use them but most of us and that incudes me, have little idea of what they are doing behind our backs. :D I have been watching a series of programmes called 'Claimed and Shamed' which is about people who either claim welfare benefits to which they aren't entitled, or make false insurance claims and the methods used by companies to uncover the fraud. In a case concerning that latter, a photo submitted to claim on jewellery supposedly taken in a burglary, revealed that the photo of the stolen items was taken two weeks after the theft. "All down to metadata concealed in the photo' said the investigator. Never having heard the term before, I looked it up and found that there is a mass of information concealed in every file, be it from a text or photo file, that can pin down the generator and viewer of the file in so many ways that if you are squeaky clean may not be a problem, but the degree to which everyone's privacy is invaded, recorded and stored and of which they are mostly ignorant, gives one pause for thought as to whether computers are such a blessing as we thought. :D

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Post by sherri » Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:18 pm

A lot of digital photos not only have the date, but also the geographical location embedded in them.

It is also possible (and this surprised me more than the photos) that you can be spied on via absolutely anything that can be connected to the internet.

Most of us think of that as computers etc but it isn't.

It could be your baby's cot monitor, your automatic oven, the one you can turn on from a different location, any auto switches such as heaters you can turn on/off remotely and so on.
In time, it might be most things in your house.

In the wrong hands (because it is extremely illegal I think at the moment) if someone hacks into those and has the know how, they can turn them into listening devices & even cameras to spy on you.

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Post by ralph » Sat Dec 02, 2017 10:57 pm

sherri wrote:
Sat Dec 02, 2017 8:18 pm
A lot of digital photos not only have the date, but also the geographical location embedded in them.

It is also possible (and this surprised me more than the photos) that you can be spied on via absolutely anything that can be connected to the internet.

Most of us think of that as computers etc but it isn't.

It could be your baby's cot monitor, your automatic oven, the one you can turn on from a different location, any auto switches such as heaters you can turn on/off remotely and so on.
In time, it might be most things in your house.

In the wrong hands (because it is extremely illegal I think at the moment) if someone hacks into those and has the know how, they can turn them into listening devices & even cameras to spy on you.
Quite so. As the saying goes: Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not after you. :lol:

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