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(USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by max Headroom » Sat Jul 22, 2017 2:54 am

Fine seamanship?


Washington (AFP) - The crew of a Navy destroyer that collided with a Philippine-flagged cargo ship will "certainly" be held accountable for the crash that killed seven American sailors, a US defense official said Friday.

"The way it looks now, it seems that the crew on the (USS) Fitzgerald is going to be at fault," the official told AFP on condition of anonymity.

"They are certainly going to be held accountable in some way for their actions," the official added.

"This is something we take very seriously. There are seven sailors that lost their lives."

Senior spokeswoman Rear Admiral Dawn Cutler stressed the investigation was still in its "early stages" and said it was too soon to release any definitive information.

"It is premature to speculate on causation or any other issues," Cutler said in a statement.

The defense official said the probe would likely be released in about a month.

The sailors were killed in a June 17 predawn collision between the USS Fitzgerald and the Philippine-flagged ACX Crystal in a busy shipping channel off Japan's coast.

Aged 19 to 37, the seamen were found by divers in flooded sleeping berths a day after the collision tore a huge gash in the side of the USS Fitzgerald.

There have been around 30 ship collisions over the past decade in the busy shipping area, including a 2013 incident in which six Japanese crew members died, according to the Japan Coast Guard.
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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by andysfootball » Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:35 am

terrible for seven young people serving their country having a bit of an adventure to d*e in this way
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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by ralph » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:38 am

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terrible for seven young people serving their country having a bit of an adventure to d*e in this way
I agree Andy, the families of those men cannot in their worst nightmares have imagined anything like that happening. Presumably both ships and more so The American warship were equipped with the best of radar and satellite navigation systems, and so uppermost in my mind is that the collision has to be down to an error of judgment by one or both senor officers in charge on the bridges of the two ships. I suppose that if the seaway was crowded, and particularly in the case of the large container ship which would be slower to respond to the rudder or speed changes, any delay in taking avoiding action or God forbid, taking the wrong action could as happened in this case have fatal consequences for the two ships directly involved or have involved collisions with other vessels in the vicinity. I'm sure Pilot has probably had such dilemmas during his time at sea.

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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by max Headroom » Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:47 am

I would think this will end up being the captain at fault.
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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by ralph » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:29 am

max Headroom wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:47 am
I would think this will end up being the captain at fault.
Being as they were in a busy seaway with a record of collisions, I agree Max, both Captains were probably on the bridge at the time and one of them will undoubtedly pay the price.

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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by Pilot » Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:45 am

Luckily I was never involved in a collision at sea or on the river, its got to be either human error or a mechanical failure, I'm not sure what the visibility was at the time but both ships would be fitted with good radar equipment (they used to train us about how to avoid "Radar assisted collisions") I see the US navy are saying the warship was probably to blame I have had some strange moments aboard British naval ships over the years I remember once going to a frigate in Middle Docks where the senior ranking officer was actually a helicopter pilot, the ship was a dead ship, no engines, but the helicopter pilot was trying to tell me what to do until a younger deck officer took him to one side. Fishery protection vessels and minesweepers were usually a nightmare for pilots as they usually had a very junior officer in charge, I think the navy sent them to get experience of handling small ships, they usually tried to do the job themselves and it often led to embarrassing moments. Having said that the vast majority of the bridge officers I met were top notch they were just trained a little differently from merchant navy deck officers.
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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by max Headroom » Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:54 am

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Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:45 am
Luckily I was never involved in a collision at sea or on the river, its got to be either human error or a mechanical failure, I'm not sure what the visibility was at the time but both ships would be fitted with good radar equipment (they used to train us about how to avoid "Radar assisted collisions") I see the US navy are saying the warship was probably to blame I have had some strange moments aboard British naval ships over the years I remember once going to a frigate in Middle Docks where the senior ranking officer was actually a helicopter pilot, the ship was a dead ship, no engines, but the helicopter pilot was trying to tell me what to do until a younger deck officer took him to one side. Fishery protection vessels and minesweepers were usually a nightmare for pilots as they usually had a very junior officer in charge, I think the navy sent them to get experience of handling small ships, they usually tried to do the job themselves and it often led to embarrassing moments. Having said that the vast majority of the bridge officers I met were top notch they were just trained a little differently from merchant navy deck officers.
I would think a naval ship would be all "ears and eye's", let alone be steaming in a area where the risks of collision is high then one would think the officer in charge would have made sure that there was enough eyes to ensure safe passage, imagine terrorist threat from them commandeering a cargo vessel, being a propane vessel.
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Post by ralph » Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:27 am

Although the report into this incident has not yet been completed, leaked information suggests that the USS Fitzgerald crew are likely to be found at fault. It is said she changed course taking her across the bow of the container ship. The container ship Captain says "she failed to respond to signals and flashing lights." Bearing in mind that these ships were in a very busy seaway, I was rather surprised to see that the commander of the warship is reported as being 'injured in his cabin'. I would have expected him to have been on the bridge in such crowded waters.

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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by andysfootball » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:06 am

just waiting a signal from bury naval command

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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by whip » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:05 am

andysfootball wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:06 am
just waiting a signal from bury naval command

admiral whippy will know something for sure
Admiral whippy say's.

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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by max Headroom » Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:33 am

Sounds like they are starting to cover themselves, it will have to be a good excuse.

Reminds me of a song

Over there, nope over there, nope over yonder
Send the word, send the word over there or anywhere else
That the Yanks are comming, the Yanks are comming
The drums rum tumming everywhere
So prepare, say a prayer
Send the word, send the word to cargo ships beware
We'll be over, humping in the clover, we're comming over everywhere
And we won't come back till it's over over there
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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by whip » Mon Jul 24, 2017 1:16 pm

max Headroom wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 11:33 am
Sounds like they are starting to cover themselves, it will have to be a good excuse.

Reminds me of a song

Over there, nope over there, nope over yonder
Send the word, send the word over there or anywhere else
That the Yanks are comming, the Yanks are comming
The drums rum tumming everywhere
So prepare, say a prayer
Send the word, send the word to cargo ships beware
We'll be over, humping in the clover, we're comming over everywhere
And we won't come back till it's over over there
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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by Daddy O » Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:25 pm

What do you expect from someone who never served his country a single day of his life. Who drinks himself blind every day. Who is mesmerized by little boys m*sturb*ting, and is totally dependent on a socialistic country to provide for 100% of his support......at the cost of every other taxpayer (Bamboozle excluded).

I bet he had a Muslim wife who left him long ago.........he never got over it, and he still weeps for her.

BWAHAHAHA

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Re: (USS) Fitzgerald 0 v cargo ship 1

Post by andysfootball » Tue Jul 25, 2017 9:15 am

Daddy O wrote:
Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:25 pm
What do you expect from someone who never served his country a single day of his life. Who drinks himself blind every day. Who is mesmerized by little boys m*sturb*ting, and is totally dependent on a socialistic country to provide for 100% of his support......at the cost of every other taxpayer (Bamboozle excluded).

I bet he had a Muslim wife who left him long ago.........he never got over it, and he still weeps for her.

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