Facebook..............Seriously???

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by J Jackson » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:09 pm

andysfootball wrote:when mobile phones first came out

and someone used one in public

everyone thought they were a tosspot

the world moves on

move with it.
What ? spend my days flicking my charlie at pics of other peoples beans on toast ! No thanks !!

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by Daddy O » Fri Nov 21, 2014 11:53 pm

I am not on Facebook and my company is not on Facebook, and here's why.

(1) Parents who allow their children to be on Facebook are making a grave error. It's like letting your child watch TV unaccounted for. If they can access the porn channels they will. Facebook, like Television has serious detriments to it. Children who get on Facebook are children more interested in the "Does Bobby Like me", and "Brenda is a real b***h" mentality. Facebook simply gives them the means to participate in that idiocy.
Facebook reinforces the group mentality syndrome. Given one child alone they would not dare to say or do the things that two children together would do, nor what three children together would do, etc. That is group psychology and it's tough enough to control when they actually get together, but allow them free access to Facebook and see what you get.

School and Puberty are hard enough on students. Adding the idiocy of Facebook only detracts from what they should really be doing. Thus, parents who allow their children any kind of access to Facebook are idiots. They don't care about their children and they use Facebook in a similar manner as TV to Babysit their children, just to get them out of their hair. Great parents. :roll:

(2) If you ever interview for any kind of a job with any kind of company, they will ask you for your Facebook credentials. They will then access your Facebook page and see everything you ever said about anything, or anybody. Facebook is a good reason why many. many, many people do not get hired. The interviewing company looks at their Facebook page and says "Nope, this person is not the person we want to hire." Many young adults, and even some old fart adults, do not understand this.............yet they wonder why they don't have a job......imagine that?

Is Facebook good for a business? Maybe, but just as a Web Page, not as a Blog or any other interactive social programming.

Facebook is a beast out of control that most parents and all children do not comprehend.

I was on Facebook when it first came out, and every single dick head that I hated in High School wanted to be friends with me, and most of them were begging for a job. It got to the point of being ridiculous and I x-ed me out of Facebook completely.

Good riddance. If you really need to communicate on Facebook..................grow up. Use email like most adults.

Enough said.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by Beachbum » Sat Nov 22, 2014 2:48 am

About ten years ago, a guy who used to be my next door neighbour crashed his muscle car killing his sixteen year old son who was in the passenger seat.

I read in the paper that a Face Book condolence page had been set up by some of his school friends.

I tried to have a look at it, but it wouldn't let me unless I joined.

I did and without any further input from me, I get around three or four emails every day telling me that I have friend requests or messages to read.

I just delete them, but it must be hard for vulnerable teens to do that.

Once they get into it, they must need to have a lot of will power to get out, and if they do, they risk being marginalized by the rest of their peer group.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by sherri » Sat Nov 22, 2014 8:32 am

I can't see that private messaging via FB is any worse then sending a PM in here.
And as for saying send an email- a lot of people (especially those under 40) do not check their emails regularly. It would be good if they did, but they don't, so if a FB message will find them faster, so be it.

Now as for jobs, it is quite true about some employers looking at the sites of potential workers. There are FB traps for those who are stupid about what they do and say on it.
But here is the thing. FB has privacy settings and it is possible to set it, and particular posts, so only you and selected friends can see it. I think employers could ask to be friended but it is a bit of a grey area to think they could ask for passwords, that would be overstepping the mark.

It is possible to change your name on it so that no one can trace you. My son was advised to do that on the first day of his training.
In fact it would be perfectly possible to have a FB page with an altered name or nickname, which was your real FB page and a second, serious one under your real name.
If I were a young employee, that is what I would be doing. Most of my info on FB is false and what employers also need to realise is that just because an account is under a particular name, that doesn't mean it was actually set up by that person.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by martymont » Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:25 pm

I use FB for contact with the Rugby Club and get updated info.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by ralph » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:25 pm

For good or bad, the Internet is here to stay and Facebook is only one of many blogging sites where people are able to contact other with similar interests -it is no worse nor better than many others. As for kids accessing the Internet, most of them these days seem to have smart phones bought for them by their parents. Kids have always managed to get access to things that their parents would rather they didn't and I wonder just how far you can go in pursuit of this worthy but difficult aim.

I saw an item on TV today where a well intentioned mother has started an organization that is campaigning for supermarkets not to display newspaper front pages where toddlers can't see them, because words such as 'rapist' etc appear on them and this is undesirable. As I say, how far can you go?

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by sherri » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:06 pm

I think asking that normal newspapers are out of sight is going too far. Doubt a toddler would be able to read in any case.

I don't really have any worry with papers but I do think a lot of music has gone too far. The lyrics in some are foul, I don't know how else to put it.
They often focus abnormally on either s*x or suicide. Fashions have followed, with even young children being offered what I would call sexualised clothing in some of the stores.
It is as if each generation has to go that little bit further. It leaves me wondering where the next generation coming along will take things.

For parents, there are such things as internet filters. All schools in Victoria have extremely strong filters so sites such as FB, webmail, ebay etc cannot be accessed.
There was a case here a while back where a school lent a secondary student a laptop and a father found the lad in his bedroom, accessing porn images instead of doing his homework.
I would have been inclined to just have a chat to him and say best not to do it on school equipment etc and leave it at that, but the father actually turned around and sued the department, saying the laptop should not have been able to get onto such sites. What came out in the newspaper though was that at school, of course it couldn't, as schools have a dedicated server, but at home, the boy was accessing the family ISP and his father hadn't bothered with filters.
Myself-I think the dad was just after extra money, thought the dept would be a soft touch, which it usually is, though it fought and won that one.

Oh and a while back, the govt was developing something called the ultranet, which was a website for teachers/parents/students. A site where each teacher would set up a class webpage and things such as homework requirements, excursion photos etc could be posted. It would only be accessed by password.
Sounds okay, except the dept in its wisdom also decided there would be a section where parents could message teachers 24/7, and students would have a chat & comment site, to be moderated by the class teacher.
My hackles went up on those ones. Can you imagine it? You go home for the day and overnight, some of the kids in your class get on and start swearing and carrying on, and who would be held responsible? You would, because you weren't up at midnight monitoring it.

And the thought of young teachers putting replies in writing to parents, without any supervision or proofreading also appalled me.

Who thinks of these things? There is enough trouble on websites without the dept developing another one. In any case, ultranet in the original format has been quietly dropped.

I would like to know what fool in an ivory tower thought the student chat site would be a good idea though.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by ralph » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:15 pm

ralph wrote:For good or bad, the Internet is here to stay and Facebook is only one of many blogging sites where people are able to contact others with similar interests -it is no worse nor better than many others. As for kids accessing the Internet, most of them these days seem to have smart phones bought for them by their parents. Kids have always managed to get access to things that their parents would rather they didn't and I wonder just how far you can go in pursuit of this worthy but difficult aim.

I saw an item on TV today where a well intentioned mother has started an organization that is campaigning for supermarkets not to display newspaper front pages where toddlers can't see them, because words such as 'rapist' etc appear on them and this is undesirable. As I say, how far can you go?

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by gnads » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:52 pm

J Jackson wrote:Gnads,I’m just stating facts . Sadly I suspect you fall into the category of bloke I’m describing,and until you repent ,unfortunately its you and no one else that your kidding,pal.
No you're not .... you're stating your own facts/beliefs

and sadly I believe you're suffering from hypocrisy

so just who should be repenting?

I think that too many people put too much personal info on FB & I've had that discussion with my daughter
on that issue many times........ but she's 35 yrs old.

I use facebook in the same way you interact here

the same as I do on a couple of other forums

FB isn't the only site that is being used by kids & teens for the wrong reasons

& what you don't like you ignore

just like here

And as far as employment goes .... no employer has the right to ask for access to your private FB page

& the only thing they should be able to check is for comments you may have made in a public forum

to me it's just another thing that todays employers are doing in overstepping the mark

in their sense of entitlement over people. They're as bad as "big" brother.

And a curb on your freedom of speech & rights of association.
Nappies & Politicians should be changed often. Both for the same reason.
I don't have an attitude I have a personality you can't handle.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by J Jackson » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:07 pm

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Post by Daddy O » Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:17 pm

J Jackson wrote:Curtaintwitcher.com
Curtain Twitcher??? BWAHAHAHAHA. I never heard of the phrase before I Googled it.

BTW - there is no Curtaintwitcher.com website. There is, however a Curtaintwitchers.com site.
Is this the one you were referring to?

Again BWAHAHAHAHA.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by danet » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:47 am

Facebook is just another social thing. I am on it with rellies from overseas I can't get to see much of, and was informed last week of my mum's younger sister passing away, and they sent me (via pte msg) a photo of her with the grandkids and greatgrand kids, which I saved, printed it out, and went to show mum the day I told her the sad news as I went to stay with her for support.
It really does bring some of us closer when we cannot be, having said that, as an adult, it fb works well for me.

But isn't that the same with anything, age related, a thing can be good, or not so good.

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by Blue... » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:36 pm

J Jackson wrote:is one of those nosey wonkers that we all pour scorn on . :lol:
Dave Smith comes to mind... :wink:
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it's not rocket surgery... :5dunce:

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Post by Blue... » Sun Nov 23, 2014 8:44 pm

Daddy O wrote:I am not on Facebook and my company is not on Facebook, and here's why.

(1) Parents who allow their children to be on Facebook are making a grave error. It's like letting your child watch TV unaccounted for. If they can access the porn channels they will. Facebook, like Television has serious detriments to it. Children who get on Facebook are children more interested in the "Does Bobby Like me", and "Brenda is a real b***h" mentality. Facebook simply gives them the means to participate in that idiocy.
Facebook reinforces the group mentality syndrome. Given one child alone they would not dare to say or do the things that two children together would do, nor what three children together would do, etc. That is group psychology and it's tough enough to control when they actually get together, but allow them free access to Facebook and see what you get.

School and Puberty are hard enough on students. Adding the idiocy of Facebook only detracts from what they should really be doing. Thus, parents who allow their children any kind of access to Facebook are idiots. They don't care about their children and they use Facebook in a similar manner as TV to Babysit their children, just to get them out of their hair. Great parents. :roll:

(2) If you ever interview for any kind of a job with any kind of company, they will ask you for your Facebook credentials. They will then access your Facebook page and see everything you ever said about anything, or anybody. Facebook is a good reason why many. many, many people do not get hired. The interviewing company looks at their Facebook page and says "Nope, this person is not the person we want to hire." Many young adults, and even some old fart adults, do not understand this.............yet they wonder why they don't have a job......imagine that?

Is Facebook good for a business? Maybe, but just as a Web Page, not as a Blog or any other interactive social programming.

Facebook is a beast out of control that most parents and all children do not comprehend.

I was on Facebook when it first came out, and every single dick head that I hated in High School wanted to be friends with me, and most of them were begging for a job. It got to the point of being ridiculous and I x-ed me out of Facebook completely.

Good riddance. If you really need to communicate on Facebook..................grow up. Use email like most adults.

Enough said.
I agree with what you say but 99% of it is no reason not to use it in business...

maybe if you are an established business you don't need any more business...

advertising is extremely dear and spasmodic when trying to target your audience..

with FB if you have a product to sell you can target your audience and area... say "Australia" ... and say.. 50 to 60 Year old people... I think you can also target male or female...

then... you can select your budget... your budget will dictate how many people will see your advertising..
say you spend $25 which will target around 5000 people... spend $200 and target 50,000 people...

its dead easy, takes only minutes to do and you don't have to talk to any scabby advertising reps... ;)
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it's not rocket surgery... :5dunce:

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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by Scrappy » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:07 am

Facebook has its good and bad points
I went on it for yrs and kept in touch with with board members from here
And caught up with long lost relatives and important news that could be spread and solved
But on the bad side it wrecks relatioships, lives, and causes alot of conflict
Im no longer on Facebook as it was too much of a negative place for me to be
And was my decision to delete and it be a past eventfull place in my life with the ups and downs
Facebook is not for me but each to there own in life :)
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Re: Facebook..............Seriously???

Post by J Jackson » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:26 am

No “like button” on here scrappy,mind a predictable button wouldn’t go amiss

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Post by Scrappy » Sun Jan 18, 2015 10:30 am

yes the like button was good lol
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