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Ken Bigley

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 9:56 am
by curly
I came from work fairly late last night to discover the horrific, but not unexpected news, this story from the BBC suggests that he tried to escape his captors. I don't know how much credence to give the report, (the first casualty in any war is always "the truth"), but I do hope that the Govt., after it's insistence of not negotiating with terrorists, has gleaned some useful intelligence through the "intermediaries" that it was talking to.
One day, some really useful intelligence will lead the SAS to the Tawid and Jihaad group, and that may spell the end of Al Zarqawi's monsterous activities.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3728596.stm

If you believe in it-----then pray.

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:26 pm
by malrap
My thoughts are with his family,who for the last three weeks,have dreaded each ring of the telephone and each knock on the door.They must have known what the final outcome was likely to be,and yet each must have had a little hope in their hearts for a miracle.
Fanatics,terrorists,call them what you may have no concern over their own life,and as such anyone elses counts for nothing.
One thing you can be sure of is there will be more,and other hostages and families will have to endure the same feelings as the Bigley's.

R.I.P Ken Bigley

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:46 pm
by Derekftm
while i have the greatest sympathy for ken Bigley
He did have a choice and his choice was to take the mega bucks on offer and work over there

soldiers are getting killed everyday over there who are there because they dont have a choice
yet they dont get the minutes silence and tributes that mr bigley gets

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:59 pm
by malrap
Derek,
I served in the army for 24 years,and had my share of postings,where I would rather have been somewhere else.
Soldiers by definition know what they may have to do,they make that choice when they make the decision to put on a uniform,and they and their families hope they never have to go into conflict.
Ken Bigley had spent many years in the area,had many friends,and financial gain,according to the media,was not a consideration.

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2004 8:48 pm
by curly
The fact that anyone who goes to the middle east in search of high earnings is neither here nor there!
Earning a living by helping to rebuild a shattered country should not bring the unjust deserts that Ken Bigley received.
My biggest hope is that some day terrorists, of whatever faction, in whatever corner of the world, will get their just deserts!

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 7:20 pm
by Kayleigh
I think he deserved the minutes silence and all the sympothy he gets. Loadsa people have been saying
"aye but he chose to go out there" or
"well what about the other 2 american soldiers who were killed earlier on"

At the end of the day that poor bloke was held captured for what, 3 weeks or sommin. Supposebly in a cage, then killed "from what i read" in quite a bad way.

My heart goes out to all his family.

RIP KEN

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:31 pm
by Dani_cx
We should just say that if anyone takes any hostages we'll bomb the s**t out of the captors country and kill all freaking suspects, that won't work but meh.

Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:46 pm
by curly
I suppose the only decent long term answer is to recruit a voluntary and professional army and police force in Iraq, get them trained to the highest possible standard, hold proper free and fair elections, and then be prepared to outline a phased withdrawal of all foreign troops. Any additional augmentation of the indiginous security forces should be supplied by forces from Islamic states.

Does this sound a sensible way to approach an independent future for Iraq?

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 2:34 pm
by average len
This bloke Al Zarqawi; how committed is he, do you think, to a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-faith Iraq?

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:03 pm
by curly
Probably as commited as a nazi was to Judaism.

Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2004 8:58 pm
by memor
All I know is that the decent Muslims in this country are outraged and horrified at Bigleys death.

They are now bracing themselves from the backlash from all our red necks.

A fanatic is a fanatic is a fanatic, doesn't matter what side they are on.

Unfortunately this thing has to run its course.

Just like Northern Ireland eventually all the extremists kill themselves but its unfortunate they tend to take innocent bystanders with them

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:06 pm
by curly
I wish you hadn't mentioned Ulster Memor, I've never been happy with the notion of releasing murderers from prison on the basis that their crimes were "political" (damn the Good Friday agreement, it's only created an army of fraudsters and d*ug runners in my opinion.)

Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2004 6:33 pm
by memor
We just had Magee (Brighton Bomber) here. He Addressed convention of

do gooders and...believe it or not...

He got a standing ovation.

This really is a very sad world we are living in

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:12 pm
by average len
Yes, but what about this multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-faith Iraq? Where Catholics and Bhuddists and Sikhs and Hindus have as much status and legal rights as Muslims, and can practice their religion as openly? Where Americans and Chinese and Pakistanis and Iranians and Jews and Russians and everyone else can mix openly and freely?

What's the best way of getting there? By Al Zarqawi? Or somebody else?

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:40 pm
by average len
that's it, Cherry (and Rennaps); you keep attacking the west and only the west

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 5:47 pm
by memor
At least we can control our red necks here.

They dont seem to be able to do the same in many middle eastern or asian countrries.

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:06 pm
by memor
What I mean by controlling our red necks is. ....

We allow other religions and ethnic groups do whatever they like.

We allow people of other religions to worship without hinderance.

Where as those countries and areas I mentioned it is very dificult for Christians to Pray and worship in Church. they are persecuted.

We dont persecute people in this country for having a diifferent faith.

Also in this country if Red Necks decide to persecute any ethnic persusassion the police come down on them like a ton of bricks not turn a blind eye as in other countries

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:58 pm
by memor
What happens here is just a minute fraction of what happens abroad

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:17 pm
by curly
Cherry Phosphate wrote:But we live here, and we only have power over the government and the society here. So we need to change ourselves before we can stand and tell anyone else to do it.
Pretty philosophical that! Here, here!

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:31 pm
by memor
We are more tolerannt in this country than elsewhere.

If your a christian and want to practice your religion in Pakistan, Afganistan, many Arabic countries, China.

Watch out you could be arrested.