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Post by memor » Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:58 pm

you said it all pal...
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Post by average len » Wed Oct 20, 2004 4:42 pm

Go on, Cherry, try. Make an eeeeeeentsy weeeeeentsy criticism of some country other than a western one. It's nearly Christmas - treat yourself!

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Post by curly » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:55 pm

Careful now, I don't like to see creatures of habit having to change their lifestyles.

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Post by average len » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:53 pm

That's right. those Arab militia raping and murdering in the Sudan are all our fault. Other people never do things because they're evil, only because the evil west makes them do evil things.
Of course...
Everything is our fault!!!

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Post by padlock man » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:09 pm

But it is a bit ironic, Cherry, that a thread starts with a crtiticism of a terrorist act, but you say things like we don't have a multi-cultural Britain etc, that is, turning it it an anti-western slant.

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Post by average len » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:12 pm

Yes, Rennaps and Cherry P., but what about the question:
"Yes, but what about this multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-faith Iraq? Where Catholics and Bhuddists and Sikhs and Hindus have as much status and legal rights as Muslims, and can practice their religion as openly? Where Americans and Chinese and Pakistanis and Iranians and Jews and Russians and everyone else can mix openly and freely?

What's the best way of getting there? By Al Zarqawi? Or somebody else?"
Any thoughts?

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Post by average len » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:35 pm

But surely they're better than us, and can achieve what we can't?

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Post by curly » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:04 pm

I have to agree with Len here, any type of democracy is unlikely to succeed while Al Zarqawi and other insurgents are allowed to operate at will. Unfortunately this illustrates the case for selling security items to some fledgling states.
Democracies can only flourish within the rule of law decided by their peers, those who choose to operate outside of this rule of law, have no place in such a democracy.

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Post by curly » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:29 pm

Probably best to wait and see if the Iraqi people can hold a free and fair election before we know what their future holds. I'd personaly like to see them being strong enough and secure enough to manage their own affairs, then we can organise a withdrawal of all foreign forces.

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Post by curly » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:47 pm

Of course you are right, and we cannot ignore the strategic position, especially as Iran appears to be going down the road of nuclear proliferation, of a U.S Army in Iraq and another in Afghanistan!

Does the "special relationship" require that we hang on to their coat tails at every turn?

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Post by memor » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:16 am

This is dreadful. Capitalism at its greedy worst.
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Post by curly » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:20 am

Germany will shortly have finished paying reparations to us following World War II, the aggressors will always be made to pay the price.
The only point in the article that I would agree with is in the disparity between reparations and aid.
The U.K. and the U.S. ought to feel financially responsible for the rebuilding of Iraq's infrastructure.

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Post by curly » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:34 am

Don't you have work to go to in the morning?

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Post by memor » Fri Oct 22, 2004 12:36 am

Who me ?
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Post by curly » Fri Oct 22, 2004 5:28 am

Cherry, the words "I believe" do not appear in any of my posts!
I only make the historical (and factual) point that aggressor nations have always been made to pay reparations.

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Post by gazza » Fri Oct 22, 2004 9:46 am

c`mon now......letz juzt carm down.....4 get that....itz theze twatz WE keep
electin to run our country,none ov um reely sort thu thingz out that they
spout they will,if you dont own a property,earn about 30k,have a jenuin
honest pension in this country today.............yah stuffed.....thatz y a hear
peepz leavin this country at thu first chance thu get evry day.......nearly evry 1 that a no wantz tuh get thu fark out ovvit........pretty soon all
that will b left iz...peasuntz,poor penshuna`z....oh and immigrantz....... :(
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Post by average len » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:17 pm

Rennaps and Cherpy: Is there, or has there been at any time, any instance(s) of evil behaviour by non-western states/nations/countries, which you are prepared to say was the autonomous choice of that non-western state/nations/country and not the fault of the west?

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Post by memor » Sat Oct 23, 2004 12:59 am

It was our duty to go into Iraq.

To turn a blind eye to evil is to condone evil.

and before anyone brings up every tom dick and harry state that is evil.

We can only do so much.

You dont know what dialogue our illustrious leaders are conducting behind

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Post by curly » Sat Oct 23, 2004 1:38 am

A very valid point Memor, something which tests the judgement and character of Presidents and Prime Ministers.

This thread started by discussing the Ken Bigley situation, and if nothing is to be added in respect of the terrorism aspect of the discussion, then the thread will shortly be locked,
We now have a new hostage situation which will probably spawn a thread of it's own. I will leave this post open for another 24 hours.

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